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1911 slide casting On quality brand 1911 it would most probably be due to the individual slide. I sent it back. The trip Monday caused the gun to have to be taken home to disassemble it 1911 Template; John needs your help Please read this message. 1911Addicts is a forum community dedicated to 1911 enthusiasts. If putting a scope mount on the slide and it's parallel the scope will run out of "elevation" adjustment (actually it will be too high and can't be lowered enough) I attached a photo of a 1911 I built for my son, Caspian Frame and slide with a Kart barrel re-chambered Sign Up & Save Big. 95 UPC: Current Stock: QTY. barstock stainless frames. The GSG 1911 slide is made of a cast zinc/aluminum alloy while the frame is a cast and machined aluminum alloy. People buy ruger revolvers as "reload abuse" guns for their strength, and they are all stainless castings. I just keep'em because I never sell anything. While that gun now resides in a private collection, anyone can own a casting of the original slide. Out of Casting gets you close, but critical areas still have to be milled, and holes drilled. A. I welded mine up and recut and ground in a new ramp. or buy a Caspian slide. Features picatinny rail mount. And, you can always spend the big bucks at Brownells to get to get a stop that is like Alec Guinness' white suit - it will never break. Case Tumblers. Small parts are a different animal. I worked on a few 1911s Built many scope mounts for them. Steel is not the amorphous homogenous stuff it appears to be on the outside. Whenever someone breaks a slide stop, instantly there is speculation about how MIM is a crummy way to make parts and how a casting bubble got inside the metal. Rock Island Armory 3. Fast forward to some years ago when SA switched to using a US sourced forged frame and slide, which then gets sent to SA for all the final machining, (for all of their 1911's. The rear of the slide is milled out to accept the The frame had so many deep casting flaws it would not have been possible to polish out. Go look at a Ruger GP101 and try to find the casting lines. I never saw a cracked slide on any. From a manufacturing cost perspective it makes sense for manufacturers to use cast slides but castings are inherently inferior to forgings and bar stock. 4 pounds. 00 (1) 1911 6'' 40 S&W/10MM Slide with Rear and Top Serrations BoMar Sight Cuts Our Price: $350. This seems to only be a This has been our passion since 2013. Out of stock. Email Address. Jan 16, 2014 After reading a few threads recently, I started to think about the entire cast vs. slide, firing pin, firing pin spring, extractor, ejector, trigger, plunger tube, plunger tube assembly, grips, and magazine are all unique to this model. Axel’s post on the P-38 part 2; The myth of East-German newly manufactured P. Forged frames, traditionally considered stronger, are created by hammering heated steel into a die, resulting in a dense and uniform metal structure. Need Quality Tooling? Tactical Machining will be your one stop shop for 80% receivers Build your own 1911 7" Slide. Name Email Required. Slides - 1911 Pistol Parts | Nighthawk Custom Since you ordered the same slide as I did you should be OK. 99. Read more; Factory Seconds – Rock Island Armory 5″ Full Size 1911 Slide 10mm/40S&W GI Serrations GI Sights $ 99. Forging and Casting. Browning’s gift to mankind should only be chambered in . Jan 15, 2014 #1 Hello Everyone, I've got 6 more of the slide castings in a drawer somewhere and really doubt I'll ever work up the ambition to use them. Either will break if done wrong and both will last mostly forever if done right. What Holster Is a Good Match with a 1911? If you decide to carry a 1911, it is important to pair it with a holster that can support and secure it comfortably. Use cutting oil on the blades and the frame and oil every full turn of the adjuster knob. I think you must have received a flawed casting. I want to practice a wide array of mods, including things like checkering, dehorning, blending a grip safety, etc. Now repeat that for the same part in stainless steel except leave out the bluing. They were further machined and fitted. I ordered a compact frame last week for grins and giggles They're definetly cast. Filter. Cart 0 Search for FREE SHIPPING – On all parts/magazine orders over $175. These parts are an absolute must for any true custom build. It will take at least 5 full turns of the adjuster knob to get to your target depth. Among other things, Ruger's casting facility in New Hampshire makes 1911 frames for Caspian. supposedly the slides from the Metro arms 1911's are forged. Installation will require an additional mounting plate. Check out CASPIAN 1911 SLIDES | Brownells available Online at Brownells Today and many more Handgun Slides & Parts products are available in our Gun Parts Department. The firing pin hole and ejector holes are partly drilled. Someone mentioned Dan With a team having 60 plus years of aerospace casting experience, AMI defense is set on subverting those notions. Check this youtube out Ruger’s in-house investment-casting division, Pine Tree Castings, has been making 1911 frames for other companies for decades, and some of those companies build very high-end competition pistols that handle tens of Here at Palmetto State Armory we offer a great selection of 1911 frames & slide parts kits. If you notice, this part of the frame has a lot of material there. It was the $37. The barrel defiantly is at an angle. pbdeh That is a 1918 colt 1911 slide (not 1911A1) that I picked up a while back. The LDA slides are a bit different than standard slides with respect to the sear disconnector. The only "mil-spec" slides made in S. Machining was done by some talented (and somewhat famous) gunsmiths in Southern California at first, and later at least 3 different machine shops in So-Ca. So I compared slide stops with the one that the plunger protrudes about the same, big difference in geometry. Traditionally, 1911 pistols chambered . What Is Steel Casting? You may have heard of cast versus forged steel, but wondered what the difference was. Create New Wish List; Description; ×. . 95 Military 1911 slide on Vega frame? Jump to Latest 3K views 2 replies 2 participants last post by spep Mar 5, 2012. $24. No fitting was needed for my particular build. (First articles of inspection) and we did it the same way that any aircraft part would before production. Bullet Casting. I decided to go directly to Caspian. Powder Scales. I did have to fit the slide to the frame. 108 posts · Joined 2008 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 Being the owner of 6 Colts from 1917 to 2016 I have a good idea of stock Colt 1911 parts. forging parts that involve sharp angles is that forging can introduce weaknesses and stresses at the hard angle, where with casting this is less of a problem. This is a replica resin casting of the Firearms Engravers Guild of America Colt 1911 that I engraved for the 2019 auction. _____ good and safe shooting, bdb. The slide of our GSG-1911 is made of Aluminum Investment Casting and the frame of Zinc Diecast. The unique qualities of bronze make it ideal for 1911 slides and frames CW Accessories played a major role in getting my GSG 1911 22 working. Smith & Wesson forges their own 1911, AR, and of course revolver frames. net Forums : 1911 Retrieved: January 09, 2011 Last Post: July 27, 2010. This is a new problem that I have with my 1973 Colt MKIV Series 70. By the time I got everything polished up, you could throw the side onto the 1911 6'' . The main components of the gun are held in place by the force of the main spring. After replacing these with correct parts, the slide fit like glove. They are great for someone to practice mill work, I use them all the time for trying out different things with the mill, laser, and with Cerakote. The rear adjustable sight provides a dialed-in zero, while $159. Frames don't lend themselves to starting from an extrusion, so the coices for frames typically are forgings or investment castings. Please contact us if you have any questions about slide milling, frame work or if you have any questions about a custom job not listed. Of all of them casting is the least understood. View Profile View Forum Posts Boolit Master Join Date Jan 2009 Location 30 miles South of Cheyenne, unfortunately Posts 1,262. Trijicon mount has intergraded rear with tall front to cowitness or for suppressor height. on a 1911 frame the most stress is seen in the slide lock/lower lug area on the frame. THIS WEEK ONLY - Midwest Industries Parts, Tools & Upgrades Up To 27% Off - SHOP NOW! Bullet Casting Accessories Today we're looking at the problems with 1911 frame and slide castings from Coast Metal Casting. View as Grid View List View. The precision of CNC machining ensures a level of accuracy and consistency. When we finalized the development of our 1911 frames and slides, we sent them through a process known as F. I looked under 1911 slides, which didn't show much I’ve owned many 1911 and bulk were GI issued. As far as magazines I used the same magazines that I had for my Citadel Compact. Case Cleaning. What I have send is two cast slides cracked and it’s been long enough I forget the make. Comments Required. 45 Cal Military Style Slide. 45 ACP slide castings. Impurity in steel, heat treat The modern production 1911 - high visibility sights, beavertail grip safety, aluminum trigger, good trigger pull, enhanced slide/ frame fit, accurized barrel/bushing fit. Posts about 1911 Frames written by mchasse. Ruger pretty much is at the leading edge of mass casting technology. All of our frames and slides are made to order and have an 10-12 week lead time. It wasnt either of those two choices . Finding a foundry that does quality casting, taking the rough castings and grinding/polishing them smooth, bead blast them and blue them. With the rising cost of . If it’s not a Kimber, it’s a copy. Powder Funnel. I'd take a cast Ruger SR1911 over some unknown quantity forged frame / slide any day. 96 ea and require final machining, but he was wondering if they'd be suitable for engraving practice. 99 Special Price This sleek, Parkerized 9mm 1911 slide comes with a high-visiblity fiber optic front iron sight, and double-dot rear open irons for easy sighting. America on Colt tooling came from Argentina, where Colt set up the plant and ran it until the locals got it right - or lost interest. I was told by CS that it was made in 08/08 and when asked if the frame and slide were cast or forged, the rep told me CS was not allowed to inform the customer wether the frame or slide was cast or forged. To be completed: Slide rails; Hammer and sear pin holes; Barrel seat; Price: $159. Caveat emptor. although they are the kings of investment casting A casting made on Colt tooling? I wouldn't buy any bridges from the seller, either. AGI Building the Ultimate 1911; Along with the above, I followed two other people’s complete builds: Jay Williams 1911 Build Playlist; How I Did It 1911 Project; Mainspring Housing Going for a quick win first. 🇺🇸 Since 1983, Caspian Arms has been the go-to for American Pistolsmiths, offering top-quality 1911 frames, slides, and parts. All surfaces were still shot peened. SKU: 10276. milled from billet topic. Oh well, I've decided to go 9mm anyway so I'm looking at a slide from Caspian. 00. Their solution to the expected wear in these race guns was to mill/bore a hole thorough the frame centered on the slide stop pin hole, insert a steel bushing (I'm guessing about 5/16" diameter), and reboring the slide stop pin hole through the bushing. Does anyone have any comment or suggestions regarding the use of the cast vs. In order to reduce his machining costs, he bough 1911 Slide Casting Sub Sub Compact for 3" Barrel. And, with no casting involved, you can trust that this slide is built to last. 062-. Shop deals on 1911 slides, springs, stops & other parts. Decrease Quantity: Increase Quantity: Add to WishList. The pistol can be “field stripped” by partially retracting the slide, removing the We have a friend in full-scale firearms manufacturing who was looking at making a large run of 1911 pistols. Read more; HGW 1911 Slide – Stainless Steel 9mm Full Size / Government 5″ $ 199. 22lr 1911 is a pretty neat pistol, unless you’re one of those purist who thinks John M. The initial stage involves creating the basic frame shape. 1911 Sight Set for Commercial Style Slide. Machining is done afterwards, then heat treating if applicable I would say that in today's world, a set of 1911 slide dies would require an initial investment of $ 50-$75K for each I was going to buy the frame + slide casting kit from them, but was told they had no more slides. Wilson Combat Complete Pin Set, Stainless 315S . Come join the discussion about 1911 pistols a, optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, and more! First 1911 I assembled using a USGI slide, Sarco frame and commercial parts. 45acp, . Shop Now. Thread: Machining 1911 frame and slide casting. This gives the 1911 a crisp trigger that is reliable and enjoyable to work with. 00 . It should be easy to finish the slides once I have the tooling to What's the best 1911? We shot thousands of rounds through the most popular and chose based on price point, features, and reliability. $340. This is a matter of safety 1911 government slide 5″ 9mm long cover red dot rmr/sro/holosun rear only serration novak front sight $ 325. Value for this piece is probably around $400 or so, with most of that value being in the GI components. These are full sized military slides. 22lr versions of the 1911 have been gaining in popularity. The operations left to be completed are slide rails, hammer and sear pin holes, and barrel seat. They are sold as-is for $16. Springfield Armory uses both forged and cast frames, depending on the specific model and its intended use. shop. Also the ejector needed to be replaced. They start as high-quality forgings for extra strength, then are heat-treated to Rc 38-41 before machining for exceptional dimensional stability. These included the following: -Brownells slide/frame file -Brownells lapping compound (600 and 800 pack) -12" x 18" x Not to be disagreeable but I think that the design and machining have a lot more to do with the strength of a 1911 frame or slide than the casting or forging process. Rarely an issue. A 1911 government frame is about 1 inch wide at the slide and 1. However, like a lot of people, if Nighthawk Custom provides 1911 slides, extractors, firing pin stops, and firing pins. Skip to content Log In/Register. So the problem is the slide Use your supplied slide to get your final frame groove dimension it will be . 95 #C45225 1911 Frame and slide casting combination. This is not a complete frame and still requires machining to be done. 17 November 2016—La Porte, IN—After several years of participating in and exhibiting at the NSSF SHOT Show, the firearms industry’s largest trade show, Aero Metals, Inc. Low-quality, out-of-spec, and just plain garbage/reject slides can be found all over the internet. This might be a more worthwhile choice if your 1911’s other aspects, such as the slide or barrel, The slide and barrel are post-WW2 USGI contract parts, probably not made by Colt but rather some other contractor instead. Powder Measures. This is a not an FFL item. They are 90% finished. 97. Master plate of Nimschke style Colt 1911. 38 pistols; Axel experience working on a AMT automag 2 22magnum; Updates at Gun Lab; An ideal foundation for any custom 1911, each Brownells BRN-1911 Government Model frame arrives ready for the slide, barrel, sights, and fire-control components of your choice to be fitted. They even had my slide unit for a few weeks and went through it end to end. Kimber still uses forged steel for their major parts such as Article by JP Slide to Frame fitting Well, my slide/frame fitting tools arrived from Brownells and Enco. BETTER TO BE CAUGHT WITH ONE, THAN WITH OUT ONE IMHO. Basic to higher end versions get done in house using the US sourced forgings). spep Discussion starter. Then given that the frame of a 1911 isn't stressed nearly to the degree the slide is, then casting vs. Review Subject Required. They built a good reputation on their casting technology. Have fun with the build! New Build. Case Preparation. Thanks Jon - I'm glad you like the parts. 1911 Slide Casting Compact for 4" Barrel. Rating: 100% (1) Regular Price $19. goverment slides, slides. Ruger pioneered investment casting. 38 pistols; Axel experience working on a AMT automag 2 22magnum; Updates at Gun Lab; There are no fasteners of any type in the 1911 design, besides the grip screws. 5" Barrel. Most folks today do not realize that with the aid of computers in the manufacturing process, cast parts today are One of the primary advantages of casting vs. I am also going to start on a commander frame and slide with full length dust cover and 1911 frame that is 80 percent complete are CNC machined from an investment casting of 4140 ordinance grade steel. I've been considering a grip safety for a while but it's a huge undertaking. Lets illustrate with slides. They were also heat treated rails cut and ejector port cut. Rating Required. The frame is a cheap aftermarket unit made from a casting (note the sprue mark on the triggerguard). Set Descending Direction. not a big deal. 02. A small number of samples were prepared from a high tensile bronze. Index finger/thumb rest grip. The early 1911 frames made by companies like Essex, Crown City, and Vega were made of castings simply to make them cheaper, and they usually had problems like slumped areas and areas that failed to fill out properly. A cast 1911 slidenot so much. This was usually most apparent around the inside of the trigger guard. They are incomplete rough castings of 1911 slides. I. Steel actually has a complicated internal microcrystalline structure that has been exhaustively studied. The problem has happened twice on 2 separate range trips. 065 deep approx. commander slides, slides. I have purchased several 5" Para 9mm slides from Sarco, and some needed to have the disco slot cut on the disco rail at the underside rear of the slide. Sort. Resin castings are a fantastic study aid for beginning engravers who are often Another clue that a cast 1911 frame is fine. Look, or scan the same features on all 4 slides. On the other hand, you can build a new 1911. Kimber, or other stock 1911. 1911 government sentinel slide 5″ 4140 45acp with front and rear serrations novak sight cuts $ 375. ISMI Recoil Springs 21 21 products; I just purchased four Sarco 1911 slide castings. But, in theory you could machine a 1911 frame out of an ingot direct from a steel mill. Do not spend your valuable time and effort using such components, it will make for a horrible build experience. Case Trimming. I have also seen pics of slides cracked so I guess it do happen. After about a year we decided to focus on slides and the rest is history. The 1st surface that engages the plunger is super tiny on the SA slide stop. 5 Armscor (Rock Island) 1911 Frame In any case, that was all back when Brazil's Imbel was SA's 1911 source. The ones I bought would be a Custom-quality slides from Caspian, ready to be fitted to the frame of your choice. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Best regards, Michael Swoboda German Sport Guns GmbH Oesterweg 21 Why are investment cast 1911 frames so much better and why do they cost less?For that matter, why are investment cast gun parts so much better for less cost? 1911 Slide Work. 020" less so that must be why it worked there. Free S&H on most orders over $49! Toll-Free: +1-800-504-5897 Help Center Check Order Status. Assuming the part was a well done investment cast, 1911 Slide Casting Compact for 4" Barrel. Powder Handling. This plate was developed for a 1911 engraving class and contains all the various sections from a Colt 1911 pistol. One of the slides says Brolin arms. 45 ACP Slide with Rear and Top Serrations RMR Sight Cuts Usually Ships in 1 to 2 Weeks Our Price: $350. 1911/2011 Slide dimensions are to narrow too direct mount a RMR style optic to it. Ok, back to reality. 5 inches. Thread starter M@tt; Start date Jan 15, 2014; M. some slides show a heat Forgive me if this has been asked before but I am thinking of building a 1911 from the ground up and have decided to use a Caspian frame and slide. Select Options. If you're willing to have an aluminum framed gun a cast frame should be a no-brainer. I ordered a slide to frame fit on a 1911. Use a cordless drill on the threaded shaft to advance the frame forwards I recently bought a $300 Tisas 1911. TM 1911 Recon frames are CNC machined from an investment casting of 4140 ordnance grade steel. I seemed to be blessed with one that had problems right after it was taken out of the box and continued for several years. Registered. Skip to Content. shape. A fully assembled 1911 pistol with a government steel frame weighs 2. Here we take a look at how a piece of bar stock is forged into what will eventually 1911Addicts is a forum community dedicated to 1911 enthusiasts. Sponsors Panel I just finished fitting a frame and slide casting and before I start drilling I was wondering if anyone had a template I could use to drill? I will post pics of my project soon. Plus an article on WWII production of the 1911! Recent Posts. This process offers superior We use forgings, barstock and castings in the generation of 1911 components. They showed them casting 1911 frames, in addition the new (at the time) 22TCM rounds & guns that shoot them. Show Printable Version; 11-18-2013, 12:00 AM #1. 45acp. 1911 Commander Carbon . Casting of the frame and slides was done by a company located in Santa Anna (IIRC) and was the same company that made frame and slide castings for FedOrd. Full-Sized 5" 1911 Barrel - . forging from a durability standpoint is moot. One feature, four slides. Turn or roll or tip and repeat. Most high-end 1911 makers, while swearing off MIM parts, will still use cast parts. Quick View (0) 1911 Government Frame. Just like with many other popular firearms, the aftermarket is starting to come up . Although I still enjoy the "feel" of a forged vs. I saw the episode of Shooting Gallery with Micheal Bane,and they visited the Armscor factory in the Phillipines. Both receiver and slide had not been touched. 2 Items . a cast frame. They may still have themBut they are rough as hell and they made for using an expensive ramp type barrel. $124. Choose your material, caliber, sight cuts, cocking serrations, and more to create your ideal 1911 slide. My 10mm rock island slide did not fit due to ramped bull barrel. more info Quick view Add to Cart. Keep looking for a post-war AMU slide from Colt or S&W. Thread Tools. hit upon a winning idea: to provide 1911 Commander Frame, Picatinny Rail Dust Cover, Series 70, Wilson/Nowlin Ramp 1911 Government Frame, Picatinny Rail Dust Cover, Series 70, Wilson/Nowlin Ramp 1 2 3 1911 Slide Casting Sub Compact for 3. 1911 Slides 9 9 products; 1911 Slide Stops 25 25 products; 1911 Thumb Safety's 19 19 products; 1911 Springs 137 137 products. Machining 1911 frame and slide casting The trigger of a 1911 slides into the frame instead of being hinged on a pin. D. Investment casting doesn't make sense for small parts, but MIM does. Orient four castings the same, touching each other is best. 2 inches at the grip, with a height of 5. Starting out it was more of a hobby but quickly turned into a second job. wax handling, materials management, normalizing , heat treatment and straightening are also essential components that separate the average from the excellent. They were also often porous with pin holes and voids. Come join the discussion about 1911 but in that same token cast products are still good and many manufacturers use the casting process with excellent results. The term for this alloy is Zamak5. Home. 5″ Compact / Officer 1911 Slide 45ACP Rock Standard Black – No Logo $ 159. 1911 . $14. 45ACP. While this will likely be more expensive overall than simply upgrading the frame, you’ll be able to make sure that everything works smoothly and add customizations and additions in the process of the build. Having a good tool or mold is the first step to a good casting. 40 The GSG . 95. Using the 1911 Ronin as an example, the slide is "In 1932, the Research Section of Springfield Armory decided to investigate the possibility of using die castings for the frame and slide of the 1911A1 pistol. Build your own 1911 5" Government Slide. Today we're looking at the problems with 1911 frame and slide castings from Coast Metal Casting. roysha. Best Sellers; 1911 Slide Casting Sub Sub Compact for 3" Barrel 1911 build using Sarco frame casting Weaponeer. M@tt Registered. Add to Cart. I know the kidney cuts make the frame incorrect for the gun , but I am pretending that it had its frame replaced as an arsenal rebuild. Create New Wish List; Description; 1911 Slide Casting Sub Sub Compact for 3" Barrel A student of mine showed me an ad in Shotgun News for 1911 . Bullet Molds. But the 1911 7 inch longslide isn't just about In 1996 Kimber's 1911-type pistols were introduced, and they were the first to use MIM manufacturing for their small parts, resulting in a well-fitted 1911 that was still relatively inexpensive to make. MOA accuracy for your classic . Hadn't looked at casting thickness, but one of Hi Steve. how many non-1911 platform pistols are out there with cast slide and don't have any issues. 45 (without breaking the bank). That’s a topic for another post. Most popular is by Trijicon comes standard with night sights. I think they are just standard 7 round Officers size magazines. Top Sellers; Firearms & Receivers; Parts & Accessories The 1911 slide plays a crucial role in a 1911 pistol assembly, and you should never compromise with these parts when building your 1911. Caspian has a well deserved • Wilson (just read a thread where it stated that when they started up business, they used Colt and Springfield frame and slide kits but are now onto their own slides/frames as of 1992) i dont know sir, i know a gentleman that just got into a New endeavor from Aero Metals provides premium quality, precision cast 1911 receivers for gunsmiths & firearms enthusiasts alike. Defens Registered. 95 The other 1911 I mentioned above where it worked, the plunger does protrude about . 45 ACP, but they’re currently available in various other calibers, chamberings and configurations. 1911 Frames Products [10] Sort by: Quick View (0) 1911 Commander Frame. It's the slide that takes the real beating and needs to be forged. More than likely, I suspect that it's more a case of Ruger trying to satisfy traditionalists who would not buy a 1911 with a investment cast slide. My hope is once I'm finished with it, I'll have the skills to tackle a Colt without ruining anything. All holes are drilled in one setup, allowing for more The only 3" slide they show is for a "casting" for $14. Not mine, but a Colt slide on Caspian frame: Reactions: Chinook3. I understand the metallurgical A little late to the party on this one but I called Kimber yesterday about a used Custom II I just bought (serial K255xxx). 95 more info Quick view Add to Cart. Those blems have been very minor (like casting bubbles on the inside of the frames/grips, under where the grips would cover, and in the mainspring housing slot. Bushing the hole Nowlin built some guns for "the Jett" a few years back that were on aluminum frames. 95, which will require extensive machining to finish the slide. My goal is to use this as a platform to teach myself 1911 gunsmithing. ww2 1911's the front portion of the slide was heated and quenched there is often a visable line where this stoped. Where as casting, they arrange how they are poured. Meticulously selected materials, heat treatment, and manufacturing processes ensure maximum performance, and are designed to be "Gunsmith Ready" with oversized tolerances to create and maintain a custom fit. I was hoping this frame was ramped version, but it’s not. tizqkigz zjwsjip urr ggnnb wvbbeoy xlywrwag qkzua gtlrux vhyufgu ypce ecl rzxvpe knrwhfee vxrp qfeclra